LtStorm

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A Bachelor of Science in Metaphysics from the American Institute of Holistic Theology, which is accredited by American Association of Drugless Practitioners.

Let's discuss why this is bullshit, and the cancer that is killing science education in America.

A Bachelor of Science.

What constitutes having a bachelor's in a scientific field?  Who normally holds those?  Anyone who has a degree in a physical science, or a life science, or in some schools a degree in a social science.  What makes these things sciences?  All of them conform to the use of empirical data to support hypothesis, generating theories that represent the workings of the world around us, and when applied can help the world be a better place.

Now, why does this mean metaphysics is ruled out? 

What is metaphysics?  It is a field of study covering all things not explained by science.  It includes such things as ontology, cosmology, and theology.  Philosophical concepts.  And that's what type of degree it should be; a philosophy degree. A B.Ph., not a B.S.  Or maybe a B.A., depending on how your school arranging its departments.  But never a B.S.

Offering a B.S. for it is misleading and outright deceitful.  It is not a science, it will never be a science in any way, and should not be called one by any regard. 

American Institute of Holistic Theology.

What is this?  It is apparently a school that specializes in degrees in philosophy, such as the aforementioned metaphysics.  It also apparently offers degrees in holistic health and parapsychic sciences.

Two more degrees that should be banned for their deceit.  Holistic health has nothing to do with medicine or bodily health.  It also uses the buzzword, "holistic," to obfuscate what it's really about; the health of your supposed soul.  Strip it of "health," call it "holistic oneness" or some other similar buzzphrase that doesn't mislead people into believing it has anything to do with their bodily health.

Parapsychic sciences apparently revolve around the afterlife and what comes after death, and claims it uses faith and science to inquire into the innerworkings of the universe.  So it has nothing to do with science, it's just a course in how to be a psychic.  Still not science, possibly more deceitful than the metaphysics degree.

On top of this, this school is a diploma mill plain and simple.  You pay tuition, you receive a diploma.  There's no effort required, no learning required, just money.  Looking at the website's FAQ, they even clearly state that a doctorate can be completed within a year.  A doctorate that normally takes 4-6 years for most fields because it requires a deep understanding of the field and a body of unique work completed by the person wishing to hold the doctorate.  All knocked out in under a year.  So it's even worse; it's not a degree in philosophy, it's a piece of paper you bought to stick on your wall, and carries even less credentials than a degree earned the hard way (as little as those mean anyway). 

American Association of Drugless Practitioners.

So the Holistic School claims to be accredited.  Who is it accredited by?  The AADP.  Who are they?  Part of a ring of facades that pretend to be accreditation institutes.  It's directly linked to the American Associated of Alternative Medicine.  Both are very much bullshit, and exist only to be paid by schools that offer no sort of education so that school can claim it's accredited.

It's all a pile of falsehoods drizzled with a gravy of deceit, cooked in an oven of lies at 350 degrees for three hours, then served on a plate of crookery to those gullible enough to eat at the feast of ignorance. 

 

 

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LOL nice finishing metaphor... Can't really debate that BUT.

There ARE many people trying to approach the "unexplainable" scientifically. Like taps, for example.
http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/
http://www.syfy.com/ghosthunters/

 

LtStorm

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See, the problem with both of those is that they start with a misinformed belief; there are things that are unexplainable.

I don't know about TAPS, but the Ghost Hunters summed themselves up in the bumper for a new episode quite succinctly; "We thought we got some positive readings, but it turned out to be faulty equipment."

I can't stand to watch them, it boils down to a bunch of dumbasses running around with electronic equipment they don't know how to use in a dark house and pretending they're accomplishing something.

 

LtStorm

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Actually, the quote was about someone, a human, interfering with their equipment.  That's what they said.  Even more poignant, as it points to what all their findings are, ranging from nothing to them being charlatans. 

South Park's take on them was pretty amusing too; 

"I JUST FELT SOMETHING!  IT'S POURING A WARM LIQUID INTO MY PANTS!" 

"OH NO!  IT'S POURING IT INTO MINE TOO!  IT'S RUNNING DOWN MY LEG, AND BEGINNING TO POOL ON THE FLOOR!"

"OH NO, IT JUST PLACED A FOUL SMELLING SLUDGE IN MY PANTS!  I'M FREAKING OUT, MAN!"

 

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See, the problem with both of those is that they start with a misinformed belief; there are things that are unexplainable.

What if they went in with the attitude that they're unexplainable but they want to figure out an explanation?

Actually, the quote was about someone, a human, interfering with their equipment.  That's what they said.  Even more poignant, as it points to what all their findings are, ranging from nothing to them being charlatans.

Well...could you do better?

 

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Storm, the point is they're trying to use this equiptment scientifically to get scientific answers. They've had some training to use the equiptment.

Also people mess with equiptment all the time, being cynical about this one instance for this one show is highly unproductive and closed minded.

 

Bunny

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!LMAO! Go get him Kimberley XD.

 

LtStorm

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See, the problem with both of those is that they start with a misinformed belief; there are things that are unexplainable.

What if they went in with the attitude that they're unexplainable but they want to figure out an explanation?

Then I imagine they'd see a whole lot less ghosts.

Actually, the quote was about someone, a human, interfering with their equipment.  That's what they said.  Even more poignant, as it points to what all their findings are, ranging from nothing to them being charlatans.

Well...could you do better?
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Sure.  I could set up all their equipment in an actual controlled setting, in a brightly lit room, with locks on the doors, and wait for something to trigger it, then work back from there to figure out what caused it.

Storm, the point is they're trying to use this equiptment scientifically to get scientific answers. They've had some training to use the equiptment.

Also people mess with equiptment all the time, being cynical about this one instance for this one show is highly unproductive and closed minded.

They're very bad at science, then.  One of the clips I've seen is a guy standing in the center of a room some of the Manson murders took place in with a EMF meter measuring for a nondescript energy and asking a supposed spirit answers (two beeps for yes; one beep for no) as the little meter beeps in correct response to each question.  The spirit was also apparently precognitive as it answered one of his questions before he finished voicing it. 

They're not looking for answers, they're at best wandering around with a bunch of equipment that they have no proof will be of any use for their expedition and at worst are trying to cash in on famous murders by claiming to find spiritual activity there.  They have no hypothesis, they have no theories, they have nothing but a bunch of guys carrying stuff like EMF meters and infrared cameras.  At best they use that equipment to rule out known terrestrial sources of paranormal activity (i.e. cold drafts in a house, or unshielded wiring).  Which is great and all, but is ultimately a waste of time. 

Of course, I always question where these people toe the line.  On the one hand, they're supposed to be using technology to seek out spiritual activity, on the other hand some of them claim that the supernatural can't be captured by technology because the only thing capable of experiencing it is the human soul.  So there's the possibility the ghosts exist and what they're doing is entirely bunk anyway.

As for people messing with equipment, yes, that happens, and most scientists will just lock the equipment up in a place no human can tinker with it to take that factor out.  Given, there's a myriad of other factors involved.  Do they ever stop and systematically deconstruct a site of spirit activity, checking for ghosts, turning off the electricity, checking for ghosts, removing all furniture, checking for ghosts, and so on to make absolutely sure that they can rule out any other factors that could be giving them faulty readings? 

Of course, then the problem is, they often times don't get reproducible results.  Which makes them almost useless as results.  As a big part of scientifically examining something is to have a reproducible, testable phenomenon. 

So, I'm cynical because they're not trying to actually scientifically test anything.  They're trying to trick gullible people into believing in ghosts without any evidence.

Sadly, it's a bit harder to get them to go for the James Randi Challenge.

 

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I find metaphysics very interesting..even though I think its mostly a crock of shit.. its still interesting..the way apparently intelligent humans twist stuff around to make it something it isnt really and present it like its factual when its just someone's thoughts. Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box of course, just dont want it rammed down my throat like its the 'truth' - whatever the hell that is...

 

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Metaphysics is fun like philosophy. It's good when you've been drinking. Otherwise, it makes no sense to spend a lot of time on it unless you're getting paid.

 

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See when you actually explain WHY you're cynical you don't come across as cynical anymore, you come across quite logical lol.

How would you test it?

Metaphysics is fun like philosophy. It's good when you've been drinking. Otherwise, it makes no sense to spend a lot of time on it unless you're getting paid.

LOL how well does it pay?

 

Andre Vienne

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Not well, as far as I've seen, unless you manage to somehow acquire a university position. Then, you're pretty much set.

 



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